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I would like to thank all of your support to make a better scouting environment for us and for our future.
Anh Kim Nguyen
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From: Phiphung@aol.com
Subject: The Report.
Dear brother Scouter Kim Anh,
Thank you for your time and dedication in your fact-finding report.
This is going to be some history in our HDVN, doesn't matter what comes out in the end. Let's hope that the HDTU will be listening this time. Since that day in 1983, I have always thought that one person's good intention never enough to (force any) change in the will of a group of people, even in VNse Scouting. Today, you have taught me that I was wrong !!. Perhaps unlike many times before: Because of sentimental reasons,many former scouts/scouters had too damm much respect for the "elder-scouts" to take any (strong) stand against the corruptions within the HDVN. Somewhere along the line, we are all need to rethink about the real goal of our Scouting (for BOYS) mission !!
Again, my congratulation for the awesome task you did, the time you well spent, the titanic issues you carried.. Still, you did not forget that you are a Vietnamese and a Scouter, so I am most thankful !!. Please count me in as one of your scout supporter. Even though we never met, I am very glad and happy that you are truly one of our brothers in Scouting..
TABCTT
Co` Vui ve?
Tru+o+ng Quang Minh ( a.k.a.Vu~MinhHa.)
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From: "Hung La"
Subject: Thu+ mo+`i
Reply-to: hung_la@ibm.net
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Tha^n gu+?i quy' tru+o+?ng va` tra'ng sinh
Sau Tra.i Ho.p Ba.n TT6, na(m 1998, ta.i Lake Fairfax, Virginia, USA, mo^.t so^' anh em HD dda~ cu`ng nhau tha?o lua^.n ve^` ca'c va^'n dde^` lie^n quan dde^'n Phong Tra`o Hu+o+'ng DDa.o no'i chung va` HDVN no'i rie^ng. Ca'c cuo^.c tha?o lua^.n na`y nha(`m mu.c ddi'ch xa^y du+.ng va` kie^.n toa`n he^. tho^'ng lie^n la.c va` sinh hoa.t cu?a HDVN ta.i ha?i ngoa.i. Sau ddo' nhu+~ng ddu'c ke^'t dda~ ddu+o+.c go+?i dde^'n BTV va` ta^'t ca? ca'c huynh tru+o+?ng trong HDTU/HDVN. Ca'c die^~n tie^'n va` nhu+~ng ta`i lie^.u lie^n he^. hie^.n ddang ddu+o+.c tri`nh ba`y tre^n trang nha` VNScout98 ta.i http://www.saigon.com/~vnscout/index.html dde^? ta^'t ca? anh chi. em HDS tie^.n theo do~i.
Die^~n dda`n VNScout98 ddu+o+.c tha`nh la^.p dde^? trao ddo^?i y' kie^'n va` ddo'ng go'p cu~ng nha(`m mu.c ddi'ch ne^u tre^n.
TABTT,
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:32:22 -0800
Subject: Re: Unmask the impostor
Cc: Explr1930@aol.com, ONHUILY@aol.com, canhphan@netlink.com.au, ckn21@aol.com, cmai@slip.net, longtran@cavix.org, qvnguyen@ichips.intel.com, tle@verilink.com, tranl@olive.fhda.edu
You may or may not interest in this message... But for sure it is relating to the current issues in HDVN.
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Date: 17.12.1998 12:16 Uhr
Hi tr. Duc Bui,
Thank you for your interest. You can read my bio data on the HomePage of Tung Nguyen III as a staff member (URL:
http://members.vnci.com/dalat/gilwell/e-hello.htm#15 or by clicking on the Archives links from my HomePage to Tung Nguyen III, then to Hello
from Staffs and select my name), contrary to Mr. Vinh Dao, which doesn't exist any!
Let me know if you need more infos on that matter.
Cheers,
From: DvBui@aol.com
Subject: Re: Unmask the impostor
Dear Scouter Anh Kim Nguyen,
As a new BSA Scouter, I do not know your scouting background.
Thank you.
Duc Bui
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From: TbPh@aol.com
Subject: Information
Dear Tr. Kim,
Thank for your information.
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From: Explr1930@aol.com
Subject: Re: Unmask the impostor
Hello anh Kim,
Hope you are doing well. These articles open a lots of people eyes and direction.
Take care of yourself nhe. Our best wishes to you and love ones on this Holiday season. Keep in touch.
Cheers,
Nicholas Viet d Nguyen
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Mr. Ton That Hy, the REAL TROUBLEMAKER couldn't find a single word to reply! He may forget, he was the cause of the avalanche of discussions after TT6. Why couldn't he just keep his big mouth shut that night! He may want to wait for his clerk (Mr. Vinh Dao) to answer his mails as usual. Please feel free to send him an email just to check, if he could do anything by himself without his clerk. You may ask him what he should do, if his clerk is on vacation?
To: swisseclaireur@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Unmask the impostor
From: bachma@juno.com (Hy T Ton)
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Date: 17.12.1998 16:30 Uhr
Hi tr. Khai,
Thank you for your interest on the issue. Please have a look on the link "Mr. Vinh Dao's real intention: What Mr. VD doesn't want to tell us!" and "HDVN a danger?: The real danger of HDVN" on my HomePage!
Please have a look on the "HDVN Forum" link on my HomePage especially on
the topic "Thoi bieu noi luc ..." to get the whole history on the issue.
You may understand why I want to find out the real ID and background of Mr. Vinh Dao. This is a big scandal!
Cheers,
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:30:51 -0500
Subject: ICCVS
To: Swisseclaireur@hotmail.com
Dear tr. Kim,
I have just received your first e-mail concerning ICCVS. I do not understand what has been going on. I found nothing related to HDVN in
your web site (http:/members.tripod.de/swissHDVN). It would be helpful if
you could forward related letters, e-mails, etc. to me.
Nguyen Q. Khai
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Date: 17.12.1998 17:50 Uhr
San Jose, Dec. 17, 1998
Dear Kim,
Your message has striked a lot of good conversation between scouters that I know in San Jose. I think many of them know vaguely these issues since Trai Thang Tien 6, and for sure do want to know what is going on and also the truth to those issues. Unfortunately, it is perceived fairly negative about it. I hope that we would hear from the officials of HDTU to clear up these confused issues soon. I just went through a class of conflict resolution management, and it is very interesting to see the ways the officials from HDTU have been dealing with these issues. I wonder if this is due to different culture (Europe vs. USA) or simply lacking of management training for bigger organization. In my mind, I have the picture of "No-Nosed" Leadership style in BSA Wood Badge. I predict that things will get worse with way it is going, and I hope I am wrong!
Keep me posted of what is going on since I do not know as much as I used to. Keep in touch, and be conscious of what you are doing, and its ramifications.
TABTT,
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:39:37 -0500
Subject: Re: ICCVS
To: Anh Kim Nguyen
Tr. Kim,
Many thanks. I have been able to access your web site and the HDVN Forum.
Khai
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Dear Brother Kim Anh:
I'm happy, and sadden, that you just Confirmed my own suspicion about Tr.
Bui` Na(ng Pha'n: He was forced to quit [the HDTU) HDVN and NOT by his own
free will!
Now I understand!
That's one more reason for me to DO WHATEVER needed to be done. So we may
be able to BRING those Dedicate, Loyal Scouters (like anh Pha'n as well as
many others) BACK in the Vietnamese Scouting's Family!
Your Brother in Cheerful Service
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Hi Tr Nguyen Anh Kim
It's me again, Nguyen Ngoc An of LD Thang Long, Washington DC. May be i look
like absent for a while to you because :
The report of yours I got for a long time ago from my friend but I cannot
reach you until now. Please accept here all my admiration and support to
help to bring down the greatest impostor ever in VS.
Don't forget the guy behind the scene, the guy who are so proud of the
"ghost" organization which he created ! He and VD were given each other the
beads is what I hear! Too bad !! Any VN Scouters have any of this proof of
this story please stand up and come forward to end the ridiculous drama
rather than you people continue to "tru`m cha(n" and make more damages for
our beloved VS.
YiS
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Tha^n ki'nh go+?i anh Ba'o:
Co` ddo.c ddu+o+.c thu+ na`y tu+` quy' anh trong HDTU tru+o+?ng
Qua?n Ly' die^~n dda`n Tra'ng sinh.
DDa'ng le~ ra Co` kho^ng ca^`n tra? lo+i` nhu+~ng vie^.c "tru+o+'c
ma('t" ma` ho. kho^ng chiu. tha^'y. Nhu+ng giu+?a anh em HDD thi`
chuye^.n na`o cu~ng "co' the^? TIN ddu+o+.c" cho ne^n Co` mo+'i thu+
na`y dde^'n tru+.c tie^'p tri`nh ba`y va`i ddie^`u Co` nghi~ ra(`ng
ngu+o+`i ta dda? kho^ng "tha(?ng tha('ng" khi thu+ tu+` cu`ng anh.
Ki'nh anh,
Nhu+ ca'i anh Hoa`n Tha('ng La^.p dda? vie^'t:
>Chu'ng to^i xin tra? lo+`i ca'c ca^u ho?i Tr. ddu+a ra >co' lie^n
he^. tru+.c tie^'p dde^'n die^~n dda`n >tra'ng sinh, co`n nhu+~ng
va^'n dde^` kha'c ngoai` >dde^` mu.c na`y, thu+ tu+` qua Email thi`
ra^'t ma^'t >thi` gio+` ma` cu~ng kho^ng no'i he^'t y' ddu+o+.c >ne^n
chu'ng to^i xin phe'p Tr. dde^? lu'c co' di.p >ga(.p ma(.t se~ trao
ddo^?i y' kie^'n hay tranh >lua^.n vo+'i nhau thi` vui va` bo^? ic'h
ho+n .
Ta.i sao kho^ng noi' chuye^.n ddu+o+.c ngay gio+` ? Ai cu~ng bie^'t
chuye^.n HDD la` to^'n tho+i` gio+` thi` ba`n lua^.n ve^` chuye^.n
lie^n quan dde^'n HDD kho^ng dda'ng dde^? bo? tho+i` gio+` ra u+ ?
Hay la` dda^y' chi? la` mo^.t lo^'i "ddem con bo? cho+." cha? gia?i quye^'t,
tra? lo+i` ddu+o+.c ca'i gi` ca?.
He.n se~ ga(.p ro^`i "tranh lua^.n" cho vui, co`n ne^'u KHO^NG
ga(.p, kho^ng vui thi` sao ? Ma` muo^'n ga(.p thi` pha?i ddo+.i
dde^''n TT7 o+? Houston na(m 2000, khi a^'y co`n gi` dde^? no'i vo+'i
nhau nu+a~ ?. Tu+. nha^.n mi`nh la` anh em HDD dda.i die^.n ngha`nh
Tra'ng (sic!), la` ngu+o+i` co' a(n ho.c hie^?u bie^'t ma` noi'
chuye^.n HDD "gia? do^'i" dde^'n nhu+ va^.y ma` nghe kho^ng tu+. the.n
la^'y lo`ng mi`nh!
Co`n gio+? gio.ng dda.o ddu+'c, ve~ vo+i` nhu+:
> 5. Ca'c dde^` mu.c tha?o lua^.n nhu+ the^' na`o ? Co' >gio+'i ha.n
gi`?: ...mo.i dde^` mu.c co' lo+.i ic'h >chung cu~ng nhu+ >nhu+~ng
dde^` nghi., nhu+~ng tha(c >ma(c , v.v...dde^`u co' the^? ddu+o+.c
ddu+a ra dde^? >tha?o lua^.n.
THe^' thi` nhu+~ng ddie^`u Co` tha('c ma('c ho^m dda^`u tha'ng ra
sao? Chi'nh anh ta (Hoa`ng TLa^.p) dda? kho^ng "hu+o+'ng da^~n" du`m
ma` co`n tha(?ng tay dde^` nghi. "ddem ddi cho^? kha'c ba`n". Ta.i
sao anh a^'y dda? "dda.idie^.nDie^~nDDa`ntra'ngsinh" dde^? GA.T BO?
nhu+~ng va^'n dde^` ne^u ra sau la' thu+ cua? chi. Hue^. dda.i die^.n
chi nha'nh Ta^y ? Vi` nhu+~ng ly' do na`o ? Vi` ddo' la` su+. tha^.t
KHO^NG the^? uo^'ng na('n ddu+o+.c ? Vi` "ngha`nh Tra'ng" cua? anh ta
kho^ng ca^`n bie^'t dde^'n va^'n dde^` kho'kha(n HDD cua? ca'c huynh
tru+o+?ng kho^ng na(`m trong HDTU HDVN ? Hay vi` kho^ng co' ba(`ng
chu+'ng cu.the^? dde^? hoa' gia?i nhu+~ng te^. tra.ng anh Kim ddu+a ra ?
DDa? va^.y, ddu+o+ng su+. la.i "A^`u O+ Di' Da^`u" ma` cho ra(`ng:
> DDa^y la` mo^.t die^~n dda`n Hu+o+'ng DDa.o ne^n >xin du`ng ba
lo+`i hu+'a, mu+o+`i ddie^`u lua^.t va` >cha^m ngo^n nga`nh tra'ng
la`m kim chi? Nam cho mo.i >tha?o lua^.n trong die^~n dda`n na`y. Xin
ddu+`ng >go+?i dde^'n die^~n dda`n na`y nhu+~ng ba`i dde^? chi?
>tri'ch ca' nha^n , ca'c chuye^.n cu+o+`i tu.c , hay >ca'c ba`i co'
ti'nh ca'ch thie^'u xa^y du+.ng la`m >ma^'t ddi su+. nghie^m tu'c cu?a
die^~n dda`n .
Trong nhu+~ng la' thu+ Co` gu+?i le^n tre^n die^~n dda`n, hoa`n
toa`n KHO^NG DA'M chi? tri'ch ca' nha^n Tr. na`o (anh Tr. Chu? Ti.t
Vi~nh DDa`o ?) ma` chi? ne^u VA^'N DDE^` tre^n nhu+~ng ca^u hoi? DDA?
DDU+O+.C DDE^` CA^.P DDE^'N qua nhie^`u he^. tho^'ng. Ki'nh xin anh
ddo.c ky? nhu+~ng la' thu+ ddo' va` mo^? xe~ tu+`ng pha^`n cho tie^.n
vie^.c pha^n ta'ch. Da^`u cha(?ng ddu+a ddu+o+.c chu+'ng co+' gi` khi
buo^.c to^.i Co`, anh ta la.i la`m bo^. nha^n nghia~, cha'nh dda.o:
> Chu'ng to^i la`m vie^.c ddu'ng theo tinh tha^`n cu?a >die^~n dda`n.
Chu'ng to^i se~ lu+u y' tha`nh vie^n >na`o khi ho. dda(ng ba`i dde^?
chi? tri'ch ca' nha^n, >thay vi` dde^? tha?o lua^.n ve^` mo^.t va^"n
dde^`
> na`o ddo' (personal attack instead of discussing the >issues).
La. tha^.t! Co' ngu+o+i`, la^'y danh du+. HDD cua? mi`nh, to^'n
co^ng hao cua? dde^? ddem ba(`ng chu+'ng ra buo^.c ra(`ng:
a/ Mo^.t Tr. Chu? Ti.ch HDTU DDA? KHAI MANG la` DCC trong khi KHO^NG
co' "ma~nh" go^? na`o (khoa' BM na(m 1963 o+? VN).
b/ Mo^.t Ho^.i Nam Nu+~ HDVN KHO^NG ddu+o+.c ai co^ng nha^.n la`
tha`nh vie^n ma` HDTU DA'M tu+. to^n tu+. dda.i tu+` tru+o+'c dde^'n
gio+`. Ca? Hai ddie^`u ne^u tre^n, NGHIE^M TRO.NG NHA^'T trong Li.ch su+?
HDVN , ma` CHU+A PHA?I LA` nhu+~ng "VA^'N DDE^`" ddu+o+.c (phe'p) BA`N
dde^'n tre^n Die^~n DDa`n tra'ngsinhthi` cha? ro~ chuye^.n gi` trong
HDD mo+'i co' the^? !!!!
DDa? the^', anh ta co`n co^' ddu+a ra nhu+~ng la^.p lua^.n "ba
roi.", "ba khu+a'" dde^? cho ra(`ng:
>Hai ba`i cu?a Tr. Ha. dda(ng le^n die^~n >dda`n co' >ti'nh ca'ch
co^ng ki'ch ca' nha^n mo^.t tru+o+?ng >kha'c va` chu'ng to^i lu+u y'
hai la^`n , >thie^'t >nghi~ nhu+ the^' la` ra^'t ho+.p ti`nh ho+.p
>ly' >trong ca'ch cu+ xu+?. .
xong, cu~ng cha? ..noi' the^m ddu+o+.c gi` dde^? xa'c nha^.n
ddu+o+.c " VMH dda? vi pha.m o+? cho^? na`o ?". Cho ne^n, anh ta
pha?i dde^` ca^.p dde^'n:
> Chu'ng to^i nghi~ ra(`ng mo^.t die^~n dda`n nghie^m >tu'c ca^`n co'
su+. tu+. che^' va` tu+. ky? (self >control and self discipline) cu?a
tha`nh vie^n.
Nhu+ng sao Tra'nh kho^ng dde^` ca^.p dde^'n hai chu+? "TU+. TRO.NG"
? Hai chu+? ddo' la.i la` ne^`n ta?ng cua? ca? phong tra`o HDD tre^n
toa`n the^' gio+'i!
DDe^? ro^`i, cu~ng nhu+ ca'c che^' ddo^. ddo^.c ta`i chuye^n che^' ,
dda`nh pha?i moi ca'i "lua^.t" ca'i "le^." ra ma` ga('ng gu+o+.ng
cho^'ng ddo+? cho su+. thie^'u tho^'n ba?n cha^'t:
>Die^~n dda`n hay ho^.i tha?o cu~ng nhu+ mo^.t tro` >cho+i, ma` dda~
cho+i va` dda~ ddo^`ng y' vo+'i lua^.t >le^. cu?a tro` cho+i thi` da^n
chu? la` tinh tha^`n >tro.ng lua^.t le^. . Chu'ng to^i cha('c co'
nhie^`u >ngu+o+`i kho^ng ddo^`ng y' , cho ra(`ng die^~n dda`n >la`
no+i co^ng co^.ng, ai muo^'n no'i gi` thi` no'i >mo+'i la` tu+. do,
ca^`n gi` lua^.t .
Co`n nhu+ noi' chuye^.n dde^'n "lua^.t le^." qua' nhie^`u thi` so+.
dde^? loi` ra ca'i "pha^'n son ho+i` ho+.t", "va`ng thau la^~n lo^.n"
cua? HDTU no. Ngu+o+i` ta pha?i vo^.i xoay qua "xa`o" la.i ca'i
"Ti`nh" tu+. cua? HDD anh em dde^? ke^u goi. , nha('c nho+~ dde^'n
ca'i tinh tha^`n "PHU.C VU." cua? mo^.t Tra'ng sinh:
>Chu'ng to^i cu~ng nghi~ ra(`ng co' the^? co' >ngu+o+`i la.i kho^ng
ddo^`ng y' vo+'i die^~n dda`n >mo+? ro^.ng du` co' ngu+o+`i ddie^`u
ho+.p,nhu+ die^~n >dda`n tra'ng sinh na`y, kho^ng muo^'n nghe nhu+~ng
y' >kie^'n kha'c bie^.t . Chu'ng to^i xin tha^u nha^.n >ta^'t ca? y'
kie^'n, va` ddang co^' ga('ng kie^.n >toa`n die^~n dda`n na`y dde^?
phu.c vu. ca'cTru+o+?ng >, cu~ng nhu+ ca'c Tra'ng Sinh mo^.t ca'ch
hu+~u hie^.u >ho+n.
Tuy nhie^n, ddoa.n cuo^'i cu`ng , vi` NGO+~ ra(`ng ai na^'y dde^`u
la` "HDD mo^.t nga`y-HDD mo^.t ddo+i`" nhu+..mi`nh, va` dde^? NOI' cho
thie^n ha. bie^'t mi`nh la` da^n co' "ddia. vi." trong HDD, anh ta
kho^ng nga^`n nga.i "cho+i" chu+? nhe` nhe. :
> Chu'ng to^i ra^'t mong ra(`ng trong tu+o+ng lai se~ >ddo.c ddu+o+.c
ca'c ba`i Tr. A^'n vie^'t ve^` kinh >nghie^.m ca^`m ddoa`n cu~ng nhu+
nhu+~ng kinh nghie^.m >ngoa`i ddo+`i. Gia' nhu+ Tru+o+?ng co' the^?
vie^'t >ve^` ca'c kho' kha(n Tr. dda~ ga(.p pha?i va` kha('c >phu.c
ddu+o+.c , ca'c phu+o+ng ca'ch hu+?u hie^.u >nha^'t dde^? khuye^'n
khi'ch ca'c em la^'y Eagle >Scout, v.v.. dde^? la`m nhu+~ng "Lessons
Learned" thi` >quy' ho'a bie^'t bao.
Cha? hie^?u Tr. Hoa`ng TLa^.p na`y dda? LA`M ddu+o+.c ca'i gi` , cho
anh EM HDDS na`o chu+a ma` dda? vo^.i le^n gio.ng dda`n anh ke? ca?
vo+'i mo^.t ngu+o+i` nhu+ anh va^.y ?? Co' the^? la`..ca' me` mo^.t
lu+a' nhu+ ma^'y Tr. Ky` cu+.u no. : MA.NH noi' chu+' YE^'U la`m ! ha
ha ha ha...
Co` mong ra(`ng anh ta chiu. bo? tho+`i gio+` ra ma` kie^'m ma^'y
cuo^'n "Giu+? Vu+~ng", "Ba'ch ho+.p", cu`ng ca'c ba'o chi' HDD kha'c
dde^? DU+O+.C coi ba`i "Nguye^~n Ngo.c A^'n" DDA? VIE^'T la^u nay cho
HDD.
Than o^i! Ngay ca? trong HDVN ma` co`n co' ddu+o+.c nhu+~ng Tr.
danh ta`i co+? Tr. To^n Tha^'t Hy (co' Ly' ?) Tr. Nghie^m va(n Tha.ch
(co' la`m ?), Tr Vi~nh DDa`o (Co'..go^? ?), va` anh Tr. Ho. Hoa`ng
na`y (co'..tha^.t ?) thi` qua? tha^.t lu'c ma.t va^.n (co' the^? ?)
cua? PhonG Tra`o HDTU/HDVN dda? ga^`n ke^`...ho^ ho^ ho^ ho^..
Va`i do`ng cu`ng anh, co`n ca'i anh cha`ng ho. Hoa`ng : con ngu+o+i`
DDa? nhu+ va^.y thi` Co` cha? ca^`n thu+ tu+` qua la.i la`m gi` cho
me^.t xa'c.
Ki'nh chu'c anh vui ma.nh dde^? co`n go'p tay chung su+'c hu+o+'ng
da^~n ca'c em HDDS tre^n con ddu+o+`ng HDD ma` BP dda? ddu+a ra.
Ki'nh thu+
TB: Ki'nh nho+` anh chuye^~n thu+ na`y dde^'n bo^. ba Tr. Tri', Tr.
DDu+'c va` me xu+` La^.p, cu`ng ta^'t ca? ca'c anh chi. em lie^n he^.
du`m Co` dde^? ho. tu+o+`ng Ca?m o+n anh nhie^`u. CVV/VMH
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